{"id":6365,"date":"2019-02-24T16:04:55","date_gmt":"2019-02-24T07:04:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/haakondahl.com\/blog\/?p=4394"},"modified":"2019-02-24T16:04:55","modified_gmt":"2019-02-24T07:04:55","slug":"the-problem-with-yes-means-yes-laws","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/the-problem-with-yes-means-yes-laws\/","title":{"rendered":"The Problem with Yes-Means-Yes Laws"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Even granting every good intent in the world to authors and proponents of yes-means-yes laws, there is a fundamental problem, which is that these are unenforcable contracts, which are on their face, not valid.<\/p>\n<p>Let us take yes-means-yes to a probably absurd end, and say that &#8220;yes&#8221; means a signed contract, drawn up by a lawyer, for certain acts upon a certain evening, between two adults (the undersigned), with no purpose of deception or evasion.<\/p>\n<p>After that evening, contention arises about what was done and not done and why.\u00a0 In the first case, a party alleging that a particular contracted act was left undone will have no place to stand, as contracting in the positive for these sorts of things is not by and large legal.\u00a0 Well, this is not really the focus of yes-means-yes laws, so we will leave this aside.\u00a0 This leaves the other potential grounds for contention &#8212; a thing that did take place.<\/p>\n<p>In the second case, a party alleging that a certain contracted act was done *but that it should not have been done despite the contract* will not be thrown out of court, but will be heard, and will probably prevail.\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 \u00a0Because of the fluid nature of consent, which can, after all, be granted and withdrawn at any time, including monstrously enough &#8212; after the fact.<\/p>\n<p>Let us examine attempting to enforce the contract in the second case.\u00a0 The contract says that a thing is to be done, and as the evening unfolds, that thing is indeed done &#8212; and in a way consistent with the usual sense of the terms in use at the time, and cultural expectations, and so forth.\u00a0 We are not talking about edge cases; we need not go that far in order to demonstrate the silliness of these laws.\u00a0 Consent is about the here-and-now, and cannot be contracted for at another time.<\/p>\n<p>So we limit ourselves to consent given at the here-and-now, foregoing any lawyerly contributions such as written contracts, and signing, and witnesses.\u00a0 This is now *less* enforceable than the written version of such a contract, by any meaning of the term contract.\u00a0 So consent is by its nature a fleeting, difficult-to-judge thing.\u00a0 There can be no clarity sufficient to A) convince those who were not there at the event but who are motivated to argue the facts, nor B) establish beyond a shadow of a doubt for all time the validity of such consent even to those who were there, and even to those who partook of said behavior.\u00a0 That&#8217;s right &#8212; even he-said vs she-said is subsidiary to I-thought vs I-now-think, and for good reason.\u00a0 This topic is not amenable to legalistic treatment such as requiring written consent, requiring specified verbal consent, or any other attempt at formalization.\u00a0 It is a social thing buried in each of us, and some people will simply rail against reality.<\/p>\n<p>I once received a remarkable piece of advice for men, which I will simply pass on without further comment.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Always let her put it in.\u00a0 It will avoid complications later, and besides &#8212; she knows the way.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Women also receive sage advice which serves them well.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t go in the bedroom unless you mean it.\u00a0 We all know what the bedroom is for.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Sure, there are some who will find fault with these words of wisdom, and I don;t claim that these bits of advice are a cure-all.\u00a0 But they do a damned sight better service to those who heed them than do razing our cultural constructs and replacing them with a mirage of enforceable contracts hiding a tyranny of opinion and second-guessing.<\/p>\n<div class=\"pld-like-dislike-wrap pld-template-1\">\r\n    <div class=\"pld-like-wrap  pld-common-wrap\">\r\n    <a href=\"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-login.php\" class=\"pld-like-trigger pld-like-dislike-trigger  \" title=\"\" data-post-id=\"6365\" data-trigger-type=\"like\" data-restriction=\"user\" data-already-liked=\"0\">\r\n                        <i class=\"fas fa-thumbs-up\"><\/i>\r\n                <\/a>\r\n    <span class=\"pld-like-count-wrap pld-count-wrap\">    <\/span>\r\n<\/div><div class=\"pld-dislike-wrap  pld-common-wrap\">\r\n    <a href=\"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-login.php\" class=\"pld-dislike-trigger pld-like-dislike-trigger  \" title=\"\" data-post-id=\"6365\" data-trigger-type=\"dislike\" data-restriction=\"user\" data-already-liked=\"0\">\r\n                        <i class=\"fas fa-thumbs-down\"><\/i>\r\n                <\/a>\r\n    <span class=\"pld-dislike-count-wrap pld-count-wrap\"><\/span>\r\n<\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Even granting every good intent in the world to authors and proponents of yes-means-yes laws, there is a fundamental problem, which is that these are unenforcable contracts, which are on their face, not valid.<\/p>\n<p>Let us take yes-means-yes to a probably absurd end, and say that &#8220;yes&#8221; means a signed contract, drawn up by a lawyer, for certain acts upon a certain evening, between two adults (the undersigned), with no purpose of deception or evasion.<\/p>\n<p>After that evening, contention arises about what was done and not done and why.\u00a0 In the first case, a party alleging that a particular contracted act was left undone will have no place to stand, as contracting in the positive for these sorts of things is not by and large legal.\u00a0 Well, this &#8230; <a href=\"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/the-problem-with-yes-means-yes-laws\/\"> Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr; <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":34128,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6365","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6365","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/34128"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6365"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6365\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6365"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6365"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/balldiamondball.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6365"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}