Realpolitic versus Personal Destruction

It seems to be coming down to this…

POTUS is betting on a roaring economy which he will tie to his policies of reduced immigration, better trade deals, America First, cutting regulation and tax cuts for people and corporations.

The Progressives are counting on voters ignoring economics and personal wealth and placing diversity and social justice as the driving factors.

It seems even the dimwitted GOP  Senate has a glimmering of which one is the winning hand.

Trump has jobs and the flag, the Progs have the Media and Mueller.

If the Dems had a brain, they would accelerate the economy by joining in, such that by 2020 everyone feels well off and would assume the economy is fixed. Then they can turn to the important stuff like the first woman president, or first Hispanic president or the first gay woman Hispanic president.

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17 Responses to Realpolitic versus Personal Destruction

  1. MJBubba says:

    The Dems do not care whether or not the economy is good. They only care about whether they are in power or not.
    No matter how well the economy performs, Leftist mass media will focus on the bottom quartile and present endless stories about the poor people who are being left behind. The spin will be about how heartless those mean Republicans are.
    We need to make the case that jobs are good.
    The way to counter their bad sociology is with an unapologetic appeal, and with better sociology. We need to show that even the bottom quartile benefits when more people have jobs, and that having workers in the household is good for the household.

  2. DevereauxDevereaux says:

    $20 Trillion dollars after starting the Great Society spending binge to “help the poor”, they are worse off than they were. No families, no fathers, no faith, no nothing – except Obama-phones.

    ?Isn’t it time to quit doing the same stupid thing over and over and pretending it will result in a better ending.

  3. MJBubba says:

    Time to go on offense.
    The Great Society programs were designed by Progressives and Progressives howled and prevented changes to those programs for over fifty years. Two or more generations of many poor families became such captives of these horrible programs that they have given up hope of ever being self-sufficient; in fact “self-reliance” has been recalibrated to mean taking as much as possible from the “System” while doing the least amount of useful work. Those folk are victims of the Progressives who are keeping them enslaved to their System.
    It is conservatives who want to liberate the poor.

  4. Xennady says:

    Well, I disagree, somewhat.

    The poor aren’t the slaves in this country. They get the benefit of the forced labor their masters extract from the rest of us at gunpoint- i.e. taxes.

    They get a sweet deal, in my experience. They seem to eat much better than me, based upon what I see them buying with their Bridge Cards, and certainly must have plenty of time to cook their steaks, not needing to work. Not only that, but the entire US healthcare system was overturned by Obamacare for their benefit, to provide a new source of revenue to keep their gravy train rolling a few more election cycles, while deliberately screwing the GOP-voting middle class.

    To be blunt I’m pretty effing tired of hearing about the poor. They aren’t ever going to vote to leave the welfare plantation, because they’re living in the manor house.

    It’s time to move on from them, and represent people who work and want to work. Done right, that can wean people off the welfare plantation, because it should pay better.

    I don’t think many people likely to read this will disagree with that last paragraph, but I don’t think we’ll ever get to that point when we’re still calling them victims.

    They just aren’t.

  5. MJBubba says:

    Victims of the soft bigotry of low expectations. Their families fall apart because they ceased to expect that families would hold together. They don’t prepare their kids to be employable because they expect their kids to exist on the dole for their entire lives. There is a culture of poor that expects to live forever in the embrace of the Great Society programs.
    Those programs never did lift anyone out of poverty. They impoverish their souls while sustaining lives but wrecking families.
    We need to make a case that concern for the wellbeing of families (as opposed to the wellbeing of single mothers) would result in improvements to the Great Society programs. There is a reason to assert the need to improve the programs to aid family coherence.
    The reason is that we cannot make any changes to those programs until there is a recognition that they need improvement.
    What we hear from the Left is that they simply need more funds. We have to push back against that by asserting an interest in improved outcomes for the families that rely on those programs. It is clear that the Progressives who control those programs do not have an interest in aiding families to rise up from those programs. But we cannot drain that swamp until there is a greater consensus that it is a situation that needs improvement.

  6. TKC1101TKC1101 says:

    My take from working with felons and assorted such folks is there is a great desire to break out of the welfare cycle, to get off food stamps, to stand up for yourself, to change the addictions and behaviors which keep you in the Progressive Chains of bondage to the government check.

    The desire is there, but the reality for many is they have not seen the economy fire on all cylinders and generate wealth and jobs like America CAN do when the idiots are banned from the driver’s seat.

    It is hard to believe in America if you have never seen it except for the elites on television.

    I have seen America come back twice before, from the ruins of WW2, from the ruins of Jimmy Carter and the collapse of the Great Society, and now it can come back from the globalist disease inflicted by the elites of Davos.

    When plants are opening, buildings are going up, pipelines are being built, houses are spreading out and we are Re-arming our military, welfare will lose it’s attraction.

    When Reagan delivered, he created a generation of Reagan youth who knew he was right.

    Give the people on the dole a shot at prosperity and I bet 70% will take the path to individual liberty.

    But hey, I am just a crazy optimist.

  7. Xennady says:

    “The reason is that we cannot make any changes to those programs until there is a recognition that they need improvement.”

    I think conservatives have long recognized the need for improvement- “The Tragedy of American Compassion”- came out in 1992, after all.

    Bluntly, we won that argument.

    The supposedly heartless conservative party won control of the government multiple times since- and we even passed that welfare reform act signed by Bill Clinton.

    The problem isn’t that we haven’t made a case or won the arguments. The problem is that the GOP has failed to take advantage of its victories, for various reasons, for many years.

    I don’t want to prattle on again about how much I loath the gop but here’s one example: The left openly boasts about its plans to swamp the American people with foreigners. A blindingly obvious response from the GOP would be to stop that, after taking control of the government.

    Yet until Trump, no sort of attempt was made, or even considered. The left is vastly stronger because it has been allowed to import leftist voters for decades. That’s why the welfare state still exists to destroy the lives of so many people, not because we haven’t made a good enough case against it.

    At this point, having watched the relentless hysteria from the left once again, I don’t even think there is much point in attempting to have a rational discussion with the deranged.

    The arguments have been made. We need to act.

  8. Xennady says:

    “But hey, I am just a crazy optimist.”

    I certainly appreciate your optimism, and to an extent I share it. I think I even wrote something optimistic here a while ago.

    That said, it remains to be seen if Trump will succeed.

    “Give the people on the dole a shot at prosperity and I bet 70% will take the path to individual liberty.”

    I suppose, but my take is that these folks are already prosperous thanks to the welfare state. Not all, and many strive to escape anyway- I certainly don’t intend to condemn those felons you work with, who seem to be working to do the right thing.

    But people respond to incentives- and they have been heavily incentivized to live on the welfare state plantation. The incentives need to go away.

    One of these incentive, I think, is the idea that these people are mere helpless worthy victims. They very often aren’t, and as I’ve already said, I’m tired of the pretense.

    At the very least, I’m damned tired of watching them buy steaks.

  9. MJBubba says:

    “The problem isn’t that we haven’t made a case or won the arguments. The problem is that the GOP has failed to take advantage of its victories, for various reasons, for many years.”
    Then the problem is that conservatives have not persuaded the GOP power structure that we are right. When we delivered the votes and put them in power, they did not believe that the corrections we sought would be in the best interests of the GOP.

    • DevereauxDevereaux says:

      ***

      “When we delivered the votes and put them in power, they did not believe that the corrections we sought would be in the best interests of the GOP.”

      The GOP still thinks it’s only money that counts. Look at the AL election, or the one in GA.

    • Robert A. McReynolds says:

      Man this is spot on MJ. I have checked out of the GOP regarding national politics. They just aren’t effective because they don’t really want to advance liberty.

  10. Xennady says:

    “Then the problem is that conservatives have not persuaded the GOP power structure that we are right. When we delivered the votes and put them in power, they did not believe that the corrections we sought would be in the best interests of the GOP.”

    I can’t disagree with this, or what Devereaux wrote, either.

  11. MJBubba says:

    Yes. The sad fact is that the GOP cannot be counted on to naturally sympathize with conservative arguments or conservative philosophy. We have to persuade them every step of the way. Either that, or fight them, as with Roy Moore.

  12. Xennady says:

    I’m sorry, but I have to be disagreeable again.

    At this point I simply don’t believe persuasion has much if anything to do with it. As you say, “They did not believe that the corrections would be in the best interests of the GOP.”

    The interests, financial and otherwise, of the people controlling the GOP simply differ too much from that of rank-and-file conservatives for the gap to be bridged by any sort of discussion or argument. This is a real life example of old quip that it is difficult to make someone understand something when their livelyhood depends upon them NOT understanding it.

    For example, we have the gop bitterly clinging to an open borders policy and attempting again and again to get a permanent rolling amnesty written into law, despite the oft-expressed wishes of their constituents against both.

    There are vast fortunes at stake. There is no way to merely convince the gop to abandon its preferred policies, because those policies put a vast amount of money into the bank accounts of the donor class.

    Bluntly, the people controlling the GOP and the American government need to be replaced, one way or another, if the GOP and the United States are ever to prosper again.

    They are not going to be convinced to go quietly into the night. They must be compelled.

    • TKC1101TKC1101 says:

      The only way we defeat the open borders interests on the GOPe side is to out vote them and replace them as donors with our own.

      Assuming their motivation is solely based on cheap labor, otherwise they would be Progressive donors, we need to replace their money with our own.

      A roaring economy that can absorb the increasing labor cost will also remove their desire for cheap labor. Enforcing jail time for knowingly hiring illegals will also help.

      If Trump can redirect the GOP to our agenda, then the RNC can rebuild the small donor base to offset the money guys.

      Money will always run politics, just make sure it is our money.

  13. Xennady says:

    TKC,

    I certainly agree with your larger point here and I’m going to stomp on my usual compulsion to write tediously about mere quibbling disagreements.

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