China Seizes Our UUV

Brent alluded to it as a possibility in an earlier post, but now suddenly it’s there and in our face. The Chinese blatantly took one of our vessels. The fact it was unmanned is irrelevant – it’s our ship.

So what should our response be? What will Obummer do? What would you do?

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29 Responses to China Seizes Our UUV

  1. AdministratorAdministrator says:


    Reports note that the Chinese submarine rescue ship did not respond to attempts by the USNS Bowditch‘s crew to communicate. The Bowditch‘s crew was “asking over bridge-to-bridge radio to please leave it there,” Captain Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, said. “The only thing they said after they were sailing off into the distance was: ‘We are returning to normal operations,’” Davis added.


    • DevereauxDevereaux says:

      Being the troglodyte I am, I would sink one of their warships and then tell them we’ll send the UUV down to see if it can be raised. Or if they still have it, THEY can send it down.

  2. MLHMLH says:

    They’ve agreed to give it back so, there’s “nothing” for O to do. amirite?

  3. DevereauxDevereaux says:

    Me thinks there was nothing for O to do in the first place beside change his shorts.

    • MLHMLH says:

      But Trump has told them to keep it (sez the a headline thingie on my google “news” page).

      • EThompson says:

        He did and I translate this as an ominous sign for the PRC. The Donald doesn’t give away assets unless he has something else in mind.

        Can’t wait to see him cut China off at the knees through trade restrictions and a world class complaint from the World Bank re: currency manipulation.

        Hey, we can all live without $7 dollar t-shirts for awhile.

        Where is my favorite neocon Paul Wolfowitz when you need him?

        • MLHMLH says:

          Except that Mr. Trump doesn’t, at this time, have a say in the matter (officially).

          • EThompson says:

            World leaders are all quite aware of Obama’s timidity and impotence; you can be sure they’re listening to the new sheriff in town who can bully with the best of them.

            It’s exhilarating to now live in a country that is not afraid to use its power and has the chutzpah to take a punch from anybody and openly respond.

            I can’t wait. The next four years could be more entertaining than the WWE. :)

            Also, if you think I may be expressing a rather cavalier attitude toward the military, you are wrong. I am acquainted with two seasoned Marines and they’re chomping at the bit to finish their job.Just as Ayaan Hirsi Ali influences my attitude toward Islam, these warriors get equal time re: our national security.

        • BrentB67BrentB67 says:

          The home of the U.S. Federal Reserve is going to accuse another country of currency manipulation?

          Janet Yellen says: Hah! Amateurs!

      • DevereauxDevereaux says:

        You have to give him credit. He has managed to totally marginalize O. Quite a feat with that windbag.

  4. BrentB67BrentB67 says:

    We don’t have the ability for a sustained response.

    The best we could probably do is sink of theirs and see what happens next.

  5. DevereauxDevereaux says:

    ?How do you mean we don’t have the ability for a sustained response. We still have 5-6 carrier groups floating about. Granted the rest are mothballed in harbor, but that’s still significant power.

    ?Or am I wrong.

    • BrentB67BrentB67 says:

      Sure, how do you plan on funding that extended trillion dollar campaign?

      We just had our best GDP growth quarter in 2 years and our debt:GDP ratio is 104%. Foreigners have been net sellers of treasuries for 6 months.

      Maybe China will fund some more of our treasury sales while we pummel them?

      The first criteria to be a superpower is paying your bills. We are a joke.

      • DevereauxDevereaux says:

        Heh, heh. OK. The way we have funded everything – deficit spending. I realize this is a crappy way to do business, but unfortunately the whole world is in the same boat; everyone is underwater to varying degrees.

        So as a friend describes it, we are the best looking horse – in the glue factory.

        • BrentB67BrentB67 says:

          I agree.

          My point is in order to spend it we have to borrow it first.

          We are $20T in debt. Trump thinks he is going to expand the deficit to fix potholes the cheap bastards in New York will not. Sure.

          And now we are going to borrow a trillion or more to go to war with China?

      • DevereauxDevereaux says:

        Inre: your point about our economy, I agree. We need to do some serious spending cutbacks. Not sure how likely that is, but ultimately the “math party” will demand it. And you can’t throw out the math party. Venezuela is demonstrating that.

        • BrentB67BrentB67 says:

          I think the wild card is the federal reserve.

          The only way Trump’s plan or any kind of extended overseas engagement happens is outright debt monetization by the fed.

          The reason Obama is leaving so gracefully is that he, with Congressional support, has done yeoman’s work to cripple our country as a superpower.

          The effects of his policies, Democrats ramming through Obamacare and then Republicans funding it will be felt the rest of our lives if the nation survives that long.

        • DevereauxDevereaux says:

          Agree there too. Indeed, ?is it not one of the main functions of a national bank to monetize the shenanigans of governments the world over. Andrew Jackson vetoed the reupping of the charter of the 2nd National Bank for just those kinds of reasons, and we managed to become one of the great countries by the beginning of the 20th century – all without a central bank. Look at us now.

          • MLHMLH says:

            Do WE need a central bank when there’s a world bank? The IMF?

          • BrentB67BrentB67 says:

            The central bank makes the deficit spending more palatable via inflation.

          • DevereauxDevereaux says:

            The euro is demonstrating how nations who lose control of their currency end up in a hole and no way out. Greece would have been fine with their old drachma, which they could have inflated and so taken care of their problems.

          • BrentB67BrentB67 says:

            Exchange rates when allowed to float do so based on relative productivity and inflation which ultimately drives short term interest rate expectations and thus are easier to quantify.

            I agree that Greece has been hurt by the Euro Currency similar to Italy. Both would be better off with Drachma and Lira respectively.

            The offsetting correlate is that Germany and northern tier countries have benefited handsomely from the Euro Currncey.

          • DevereauxDevereaux says:

            The euro seems mostly to be controlled by Germany. France is much more socialistic and so spendthrifty. I would expect that France has more of an issue with the euro. I know Poland has had its share of problems surrounding the use of the euro.

          • BrentB67BrentB67 says:

            France for all its dimwit labor laws is much closer to Germany with respect to productivity than Italy or Greece.

            You are correct that the Euro is basically the Deutschmark writ large. That was in the plan by Germany from the outset to ensure their trade surplus.

          • DevereauxDevereaux says:

            And yet I would not say, currently, there is much chance of the Euro replacing us as the world reserve currency. It could happen, but it would require a much bigger economy than the EU – or China or Russia for that matter.

  6. DevereauxDevereaux says:

    ?So was this a test of the change of power. ?Or O. ?Or just a test in general. The act was pretty brazen.

  7. AdministratorAdministrator says:

    I think Michelle handled this one. #BringBackOurDrone

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